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Carl Bott Interviews Russ Reiner on KCNR Radio | Reiner, Slaughter & Frankel, LLP

Carl Bott: All right. Hey, in the paper lately there was front-page news, plus I saw it going on for the last couple of years, I imagine. There was an accident out in Humboldt County, and it resulted in a lawsuit against Caltrans. With us this morning, we have Russ Reiner, who is the lawyer that is representing the Kyle Anderson family in this lawsuit. Good morning, Russ.

Russ Reiner: Good morning.

Carl Bott: Thanks for joining us today.

Russ Reiner: Thank you.

Carl Bott: Okay. Tell us a little bit first about Russ Reiner.

Russ Reiner: Well, I’ve been in the Redding Shasta County community for almost 40 years representing injured people, and it’s been a true blessing for my family to be here. I’ve been welcomed into this community and, hopefully, over the years I’ve helped a lot of people.

Carl Bott: Okay. You say you moved here 40 years ago?

Russ Reiner: Yes. I’m originally-

Carl Bott: Moved here just after law school?

Russ Reiner: After law school, yes. I’m originally from Minnesota. I grew up on a farm in Minnesota. Most of my relatives still live there. One of the great things, we had a dairy farm and it taught me the work ethic and independence. We worked seven days a week with dairy cattle. Anyway, I had very good parents.

Carl Bott: Minnesota.

Russ Reiner: Yeah, sure.

Carl Bott: A dairy farm, which isn’t a surprise in Minnesota because it seems like there’s a lot of dairy farms here, but that is hard work. I mean were you out there milking when you were six years old or something like that? Did the whole family pitch in?

Russ Reiner: Yes. I was the oldest boy, so I was driving tractors when I was six years old. No, but it was really great. We were taught that work was good. People ask me when I’m going to retire, and I tell them, my father, when he was 85 years old, he bought an electric chain saw to cut wood. My friends teased me about that. They said, “Couldn’t you buy your dad a cord of wood?” But that wasn’t the point. He loved to work.

Carl Bott: That is the point. People ask when you’re going to retire, then the next question is, is what would I do? If you like what you’re doing, you just go to work. What made you become a lawyer? Or what led you to become a lawyer, I should say?

Russ Reiner: Well, it’s actually interesting. I’ll tell a real quick story. When I was 10 years old, my best friend and I decided to become attorneys. His dad owned a bar in this small town, and I just felt like I could help people, so we made this pact when we were 10 years old that we were both going to become attorneys. We went to the same grade school. In high school, we went to different high schools, but he developed macular degeneration and became legally blind within one year when he was 15 years old. I went on to school and became an attorney.

Russ Reiner: I went back for a family reunion, and I encouraged him that he could go to school. There are many ways to learn. He didn’t tell me, but he applied to the University of Minnesota Law School. He went to school and he became an attorney and represented disabled people in the Minneapolis-Saint Paul area for over 30 years. Actually, now, some 40 years later, I still have him work for me on projects here. He works out of his home. He’s a beautiful, wonderful person, has a photographic memory. Even as of today, even though he’s in Minnesota, I have him work with me on some of my cases.

Carl Bott: I hope he’s listening today.

Russ Reiner: So do I.

Carl Bott: He should be. All he has to do is get into the website and he can listen to your dulcet tones all morning. Well, at least for the next 40 minutes.

Carl Bott: What got you into the injury, that side of the law? Because there’s so many. My sister’s a lawyer. She specializes in, I guess, civil and divorces mainly. She’s got a name for it, but I can’t say it on the air.

Russ Reiner: Well, in my field in personal injury, mainly what we’re fighting are the giants. We fight big corporations. We fight insurance companies, manufacturers, and it’s always kind of a David and Goliath. Early on in my career here, back in 1984, I had a case against American Motors Jeep Corporation. It was a jeep rollover. It was an 18-year-old girl was killed. I worked on the case for three years, and here in Shasta County, I got the largest award ever against American Motors Jeep Corporation of $4 million. Much of it was for punitive damages for what they did wrong, and as a result of that, I began to get referrals from all over the country.

Russ Reiner: What I like about it is this, and it’s kind of like when you farm, you don’t work 9:00 to 5:00. You’re not on a clock. With what I do, I can work seven days a week. The only way that I get paid is if I win. If I don’t win, I don’t get a penny for my time or my costs, and so it gives me that incentive. And then plus, for me, it’s always been a great way that I can help people. Plus, obviously, I make a good living. I feel that so many people in this world get trampled on. They can’t defend their rights.

Russ Reiner: I’ve been able to represent many great clients over the years, including this Kyle Anderson family against Caltrans. The case went on for almost eight years, but they’re a wonderful, inspirational family and that gets me going in the morning.

 

About Kyle Anderson and the Caltrans Case

Carl Bott: I’m with Russell Reiner today, who is a personal injury attorney and who represented the Kyle Anderson family that just won a lawsuit from Caltrans for $37,350,000. Just came just in the last two weeks. He’s been doing this for 40 years, and he’s chosen personal injury as his bailiwick in the court system.

Carl Bott: Tell us about Kyle Anderson.

Russ Reiner: Okay. Well, Kyle Anderson and his family are very wonderful people. The reason, actually, I came down today to do this is because it is Kyle’s family’s hope and my hope that Caltrans in the future will follow its rules and so this does not happen to other people. When this happened to Kyle, he was 20 years old. Briefly, to start out-

Carl Bott: When did this happen?

Russ Reiner: It happened in August of 2011, almost eight years ago. What happened was there was a contractor from Redding that does underground work, and they signed a contract with Caltrans. This was in the city of Eureka along Highway 101. On August 17, the contractor was cutting a trench in the shoulder of the road, about two feet down, and the purpose was, is when you get to lights at an intersection, there are sensors, and so they were putting in an underground cable.

Russ Reiner: When they did that job, they were allowed a lane closure for the slow lane of 101 to protect the workers. Caltrans was supposed to mark underground where these sensors were when they were trenching. They came up to this area and because Caltrans failed to mark this area in the shoulder, the contractor hit this cable, and, as a result, they needed to fix it. Caltrans agreed they’d pay the contractor $6,000 to do it, and they were to come back in two weeks to fix this cable.

Russ Reiner: What happened on the night of August 30th, the contractor a week earlier had requested a lane closure to fix this specific spot that Caltrans had messed up in the first place. He had requested a lane closure, and in their system, Caltrans approved the lane closure. When the contractor and his crew came over at night… This work had to be performed at night. When he got over there with his crew, the resident engineer for Caltrans who was on this project told him that he could not have a lane closure.

Russ Reiner: He asked why, and she gave him all of the wrong reasons. She didn’t, frankly, know what was going on out there that night. She had not talked to her assistant resident engineer. She didn’t talk to a paving contractor that worked in the area. If she would have literally driven a half a mile or just picked up her cell phone, she would have known that she was wrong and could have allowed the lane closure, but she denied that.

Russ Reiner: The next step the contractor did was he, to protect his workers, he did a shoulder closure, and he put an 18,000-pound backhoe straddling the curb in the shoulder of the road to protect his workers so when traffic would drive, if a vehicle would go into the shoulder, it would hit that backhoe, which was an approved barrier vehicle by Caltrans. The contractor that night started working, including Kyle, and at about 11:30 that night, an assistant resident engineer for Caltrans, who was not assigned to this project, came along and he saw this backhoe in the shoulder of the road and he ordered the contractor to remove the backhoe.

Russ Reiner: The contractor workers told this man that they only had 20 minutes to finish the project, could we leave the backhoe there? He said no. Later on, through discovery and at trial, this particular assistant resident engineer admitted that that night, he was not aware that a backhoe was an approved barrier vehicle.

Russ Reiner: Also what this assistant did without calling his resident engineer, he ordered in a big light tower to be brought into the area and then worse, he ordered that the light tower be shining towards the eyes of oncoming traffic. Less than an hour after this occurred, Kyle Anderson was taking measurements in the shoulder of the road in this two-foot by two-foot trench. A lady came along at 1:00 at night, was blinded by this light, drove into the shoulder and ran over Kyle Anderson, causing severe injuries.

Russ Reiner: Kyle today, he’s a complete quadriplegic with a severe brain injury. He has a very unique injury which is called locked-in syndrome. What that means is that Kyle, the only thing that he can move are basically his eyeballs. He cannot speak, and so for these eight years since this happened, he was 20 years old at the time, he cannot say to his doctors where it hurts. He cannot say to his parents, “I love you.” Those are his injuries, which I can talk about more a little bit later and some of the reasons why we resolved this case.

Carl Bott: You had two, it sounds like two different assistant engineers-

Russ Reiner: We had-

Carl Bott: … working on this from Caltrans, the first one who didn’t allow the lane closure. But the contractor, to me, seems like someone with good sense. Put a bulldozer there. Say, “I’m going to protect my people.” Then another one who didn’t even have anything to do with the project was just driving by and said, “Move the bulldozer,” and then put lights out. Because you see lights all the time there on these sites to help the workers see, but also kind of help you see. But he had them turned in the wrong direction.

Russ Reiner: Yes. And it was a backhoe.

Carl Bott: I’m sorry, a backhoe.

Russ Reiner: No, that’s fine. What made this more egregious and why the jury got upset in this case is because after this occurred, this resident engineer and the assistant were at the scene with the Eureka Police Department for two hours. While at the scene, Caltrans never told these officers when they were doing their investigation that they had denied the lane closure, that they had ordered the backhoe be removed, that they had brought in the lights.

Russ Reiner: in fact, it got worse than that. The resident engineer assigned to this project and with Caltrans, they have this system where when there is a major accident, they need to report the specific facts of how it occurred in order that they can then do safety meetings and lessons learned so things like this do not happen again. That did not happen in this case. Instead, this resident engineer called the chief safety officer for Shasta County, Northern California, and at 1:00 that night she reported to him that Kyle Anderson was not hit in the shoulder of the road, but instead, on the opposite side of the curb.

Russ Reiner: There was no dispute as to where he was hit. In fact, when he was in the hole when he was hit, his helmet actually came off his head and fell in the hole. The safety engineer said, “Okay, it’s early. You call me back in the morning and confirm that all of the facts that you told me were true.” At 7:30 in the morning, the resident engineer called the safety engineer back and again told him that Kyle Anderson was not hit in the shoulder, that he was hit on the other side of the curb, and that’s what was reported to the higher-ups within Caltrans.

Russ Reiner: As a result of that, Caltrans closed their investigation, 10 hours after this horrific accident occurred. There were never any safety meetings or never any lessons learned after that fact.

Carl Bott: Okay. He was hit while he was standing on the shoulder, not in the road.

Russ Reiner: Yes. Because they-

Carl Bott: And they were saying he was hit on the road.

Russ Reiner: No. No. They were saying, no, Kyle Anderson was sitting on the pavement, working in a hole in the shoulder of the road.

Carl Bott: Okay. All right.

Russ Reiner: Caltrans represented that he was not in the road, that he was not in the shoulder, but he was completely on the other side where basically where the sidewalk is.

Carl Bott: So that somebody would really have to come all the way across and bounce over the trench and everything.

Russ Reiner: Over the trench, over the curb, and hit him on the other side.

Carl Bott: Okay. And this is what they said. Okay. We’ve come to the part where Kyle was working that night at 2:00 in the morning, around that time. Engineers had ordered the head of the construction company to move his backhoe, which was a blocking which was protecting his people. They had only 20 minutes left to do. Then they brought in lights and instead of turning them in the right direction, or correct direction, they turned them right into the eyes of the oncoming traffic. Somebody came by, was blinded and hit Kyle-

Russ Reiner: Correct.

Carl Bott: … who was doing his job sitting there. Kyle is now a quadriplegic with something called …

Russ Reiner: Locked-in syndrome.

Carl Bott: Blocked-in syndrome.

Russ Reiner: Locked with an L.

Carl Bott: Oh, locked-in syndrome, where it means he can only move his eyes.

Russ Reiner: Right.

Carl Bott: Can’t talk, he can just move his eyes.

Russ Reiner: Correct.

Carl Bott: And he’s been like that since August 2011.

Russ Reiner: Correct.

Carl Bott: August 31st. Okay.

Russ Reiner: Right.

Carl Bott: We’re here with Russ Reiner, who is the attorney for the Anderson family. We’re going to take a quick break. We’re going to come back and we’re going to talk about what happened after that when the engineers on the site made a huge mistake or they just lied to their higher-ups and then they closed off the investigation instead of trying to figure out what really did happen that day and to ensure that it doesn’t happen again.

Carl Bott: We’re here with Russ Reiner, who is the attorney for the Kyle Anderson family. Kyle Anderson is the young man who was 20 years old on August 2011, August 31, 2011, was struck by a car and became a paraplegic.

Russ Reiner: Quadriplegic.

Carl Bott: I’m sorry, a quadriplegic. He’s got something called the locked-in syndrome where he can only move his eyes. He can’t talk or anything, can’t tell doctors where it hurts, can’t tell his family he loves them. He’s just, he’s there. He’s just laying there. He’s existing. I mean I hate to put it like that.

Russ Reiner: Well, he’s actually much more than that. He can smile, he can laugh. His parents are angels on earth. They work with him every day 24/7, and it’s inspirational and beautiful to watch.

Carl Bott: Well, that just made me feel a lot better. They’re getting through this.

Russ Reiner: Oh, yes.

Carl Bott: Life has changed so dramatically for them. Let’s go to the phones. Annette, good morning.

Annette: Good morning. As a taxpayer, I have no problem compensating him for his injuries, no matter what the price is, and I’m sure he would rather have his health back than anything. But what really gripes my rear end is the fact that these people that made these decisions and even lied about it bear no responsibility, won’t lose their jobs. They’re overcompensated and they got the best pension in the world. This just goes on and on and on.

Annette: You take the example of Darlene Koontz, who let a third of Lassen Park burn down under her watch that could have been prevented. She just gets transferred and gets to retire. And the guys that burnt down Mount Lewiston here about 10 or 12 years ago, it’s the same thing. Poor decisions and then hold no responsibility to it.

Annette: I’m going to put Russ left in charge of getting ahold of Patrick Jones and when Patrick gets on the Assembly, he can introduce legislation to hold our civil servants responsible for their poor decisions

Carl Bott: Oh, no. Wait till you hear this next part when he’s going to talk about what was said to the jury. You’re going to love this one, Annette. Just sit down and hang on because Caltrans’ lawyers are just spectacular. Okay.

Annette: Thank you for having me on.

Carl Bott: You bet.

Annette: Bye.

Carl Bott: No, no. Thanks a lot, Annette. Okay. Caltrans gets a report from the two engineers, says, “Oh, no, no, there’s nothing to see here. Just keep moving.” Indeed, it was a lot more to it.

Russ Reiner: Right. It was actually worse than that. Four years later, after Kyle was injured, I took the deposition under oath of the safety officer that had been called and told that Kyle was not hit in the shoulder but hit in the parking lot. Four years later, even though he still worked for Caltrans, he was unaware that Kyle had been hit in the shoulder, and that came out at trial.

Russ Reiner: Other things that came out at trial that really upset this jury is that this assistant resident engineer that ordered the backhoe be removed and ordered the light tower be brought back in, I took his deposition and he lied and said, “No. I did not order that backhoe be removed. I wasn’t there. I did not order the light tower be put in.” The problem with that is that his resident engineer, he had told her after Kyle was injured that he, in fact, did order the backhoe be removed. At trial, they had one Caltrans employee saying, “Yes, he told me that he ordered it moved,” and then he said at trial that “Her mind must be playing tricks on her. That’s why she thought that I said that I had ordered the backhoe be removed.” We had multiple witnesses, obviously, from the contractor that testified as to what he said.

Russ Reiner: Then, you rarely hear this word, and I said that I’ve never taught my grandchildren this word, but the attorneys for Caltrans then said that this resident engineer that admitted that he did order the backhoe be removed, said that she must have misremembered. I told the jury that I’ve never taught my grandchildren the word misremembered. The jury didn’t like that either.

Carl Bott: Well, there was another part to that, too, is that the engineer was given an award?

Russ Reiner: Yes. We didn’t know about this, but there were two contracts going on. One was a large paving contractor, Mercer-Fraser, that was doing work in the area and then this contractor from Redding was very small. We didn’t know this, but the Caltrans attorneys brought up at the trial that this resident engineer got an award from Caltrans for bringing the paving contract in less time and basically under budget. Why they brought that in front of the jury in this case, I don’t know.

Carl Bott: I imagine the jury thought that was cool.

Russ Reiner: Yeah, exactly.

Carl Bott: You say you got a … for being faster. Now there were two engineers involved in this, then. You had the one that originally was there and that he didn’t know what was going on about the lane closure and all this. Then another one that just happened to roll by-

Russ Reiner: Correct.

Carl Bott: … and told them to move the backhoe, and he put the lights in, and then he lied about it. Now, who did he say misremembered it? The other one that didn’t know about the lane closure? Or one up higher?

Russ Reiner: His boss.

Carl Bott: Okay, his boss.

Russ Reiner: His immediate boss, the one that had denied the lane closure. He was an assistant resident engineer on the paving contract but not on our contract. His immediate boss, he told her after the event that he had ordered the backhoe be removed, but then later-

Carl Bott: And then she told the truth.

Russ Reiner: She told the truth. That’s correct.

Carl Bott: Okay. Wow, I bet that was a … Is she still working for Caltrans?

Russ Reiner: She is. She is. Yes-

Carl Bott: Okay. Is he still working for Caltrans?

Russ Reiner: He is.

Carl Bott: They’re both still working for Caltrans.

Russ Reiner: Yes.

Carl Bott: Okay. Now the jury, when you go into this, there were other things, allegations brought up that were found to be not true about the driver and all these things, which were found not to be true or not to be… They just weren’t held with any type of veracity by the jury, obviously.

Russ Reiner: Correct. Caltrans was found to be 100% responsible.

Carl Bott: Is that kind of like the first time? I mean to be held 100%? Usually, there’s 95% and 5% for the contractor. They come up with these different things, that the person who gets hit, somehow it’s their fault that they get hit.

Russ Reiner: Right.

Carl Bott: I haven’t figured that one out yet.

Russ Reiner: Well, here Caltrans did attempt to blame the contractor. They did attempt to blame this driver, but the jury found 100% it was Caltrans.

Carl Bott: How did they try to blame the contractor? Sounds like the contractor. This is an aside, and I have no idea. I bet to this day, he wishes he told that engineer to go pound sand.

Russ Reiner: Right, exactly. And-

Carl Bott: That’s got to be … That plays on his mind, too, I’m sure.

Russ Reiner: It does, and it’s tragic. But, yeah, Caltrans tried to say that, look, if he thought that it was unsafe, then he should have pulled his people off the job. The problem with that was there was a hole in the shoulder of this road. It was two feet wide, two feet long, and two feet deep. If he would have pulled his workers off the job, that big hole would have been in the shoulder, and a shoulder is used for the public for safety reasons to drive into. It would have been an extreme hazard to the public, and so he felt that he needed to get the job done, and that’s what he did.

Carl Bott: Okay. I’m here with Russell Reiner, who is the attorney for the Kyle Anderson family. We talked about what happened. Kyle was working on a project about 2:00 in the morning on August 31, 2011. Engineers came in and told him to move the blocking of the lane. The contractor had blocked the lane with a-

Russ Reiner: The shoulder.

Carl Bott: The shoulder. I’m sorry. He had blocked the shoulder with a backhoe. An engineer who wasn’t even assigned to the project came through, told him to move the backhoe, and then moved in lights that blinded the people that were coming in. A lady came in blinded, went over, struck Kyle. He is now a quadriplegic with the locked-in syndrome, which means the only thing he can move is his eyes, but I guess he can smile and this. We’re going to discuss that.

Carl Bott: Now it went to trial finally in about, what? Two weeks? A week ago?

Russ Reiner: No. Well, yeah, it went to trial.

Carl Bott: Went to trial.

Russ Reiner: The trial was about two and a half months long.

Carl Bott: Two and a half months long and was found that Caltrans was 100%, 100% liable for this and awarded a $37,350,000 award to the family and to take care of Kyle. Can you tell us about Kyle now?

Russ Reiner: Yes. The heartwarming part about this story is some of the medical people that have helped Kyle along the way. First of all, as I said earlier, his parents are literally angels on earth. It’s a labor of love for them. They work with their son 24/7. They stretch him five hours a day. They take him everywhere if you can imagine. They take him out to Shasta Lake on the patio boat. They take him when they cut Christmas trees. They’re just wonderful, wonderful people.

Russ Reiner: Through this process, even though I’ve been at it some 40 years, I learned some things and we’re very fortunate in Redding to have some of these individuals. One is Dr. Steven Goedert. He’s a fourth-generation optometrist, but he is a neuro-optometrist. I, frankly, wasn’t aware of this field before this case. I handle a lot of brain injury cases for clients. But anyway, a neuro-optometrist is able to train people with their eyes so that your eyes can focus. The reason that that’s critical here is there’s new technology now that’s available for Kyle that he is able to move his eyes across a computer screen and when he’s able to do that, they can put a picture of his mother and then he can identify by moving his eyes his mother. He’s literally been working with Kyle for about five years.

Russ Reiner: As a neuro-optometrist, Dr. Goedert has literally helped thousands of students in Shasta County over his lifetime because many times children, they can’t focus. Their eyes are almost kind of going in different directions. It’s a very interesting field. Neuro-optometrists work with almost every pro sports team and Dr. Goedert has trained with one of the doctors with the Portland Trail Blazers. As an example, when someone is shooting a free throw, if they’re hitting the rim on the right side just by a little bit and they do that every time, the reason being is that their eyes aren’t lined up. This is used by the U.S. Ski Team, golfers. Dr. Goedert has helped the Shasta College, baseball team. It’s really amazing what is out there, and he has devoted much of his time for this.

Carl Bott: Well, that right there, because the only way he can communicate is with his eyes, so he can use the computer now by being able to focus on different things. But he still can’t talk.

Russ Reiner: Correct.

Carl Bott: He can just do kind of larger objects then.

Russ Reiner: Correct.

Carl Bott: You think about somebody that’s 20 years old that’s in this condition. Is he going to be forever like this?

Russ Reiner: Well-

Carl Bott: Or is there things like … I mean you’re talking about his eyes and all this, but if it’s a locked-in syndrome because of a brain injury, do people recover from that at all?

Russ Reiner: Not yet. But in this case, we had the doctors testify. There are doctors called physiatrists that deal with pain management, et cetera. But with regard to the brain, we had this great team, so I worked with world-renowned experts. There’s so much going on with regard to the brain. We have three billion cells when it comes to our brain. When he was young, at least, the brain sometimes figures out a way around these circuits. We’re hopeful with medical technology that there can be changes for Kyle in the future. The life care plan for Kyle for the remainder of his life is $18 million, and that money will be spent over the rest of his life and, hopefully, there will be new innovations.

Russ Reiner: The other person really that I’d like to thank on behalf of the family, and I’ve met her and she’s a wonderful person. She’s a speech therapist. Her name is Shanti Chapman. She’s been wonderful. Kyle was in a coma, and when he came out of the coma, oh, some over seven years ago, she worked with him to learn how to swallow. You might think that’s very easy, but being able to swallow, you have to use many muscles and particularly when you have a brain injury, it’s very difficult.

Russ Reiner: She taught him to swallow while he was here in Redding. He then went down to the Bay Area and was hospitalized down there for about five months. When he came back, he couldn’t swallow anymore, so she taught him again how to swallow, and to this day, she works with Kyle every week. It’s just a blessing to see some of these people in the medical community and how they really go the extra mile to help someone like Kyle and his family. It’s very heartwarming.

Carl Bott: Wow. I don’t really know what to say on something like this. You have people injured. At least we know that the young man will be taken care of and his family. He’s 20, 28 now?

Russ Reiner: 28 years old.

Carl Bott: But his family are, what? In their 60s?

Russ Reiner: Yes.

Carl Bott: There’s got to be long-term care there. There’s going to be a day they can’t pick him up and move him around. At least the funds are there to make sure that he’s taken care of.

Carl Bott: Anything you want to tell people here? We got about a minute and a half if you want to tell people out there. There are so many people that helped with this, including yourself, of course, but the people need to know.

Russ Reiner: Well, to me, the bottom line on this is that my true hope is that with this settlement that we have, that, again, it’ll take care of Kyle the rest of his life. The other thing is, is that Caltrans will follow its own rules and have safety meetings. There are tens of thousands of people that work for Caltrans, and there are many good workers, there are many good people within Caltrans, but when something like this happens, they have to own up to it. They have to take personal responsibility.

Russ Reiner: Sometimes that’s not happening, and with this case, I’m hoping that the management at Caltrans will, frankly, change its ways and when things like this happen, it’s the government and that they’re held accountable, that they’re held responsible. If somebody was working for a private company and this happened, there would be repercussions. They would be fired. A lot of times, that doesn’t happen with the government.

Carl Bott: Well, you know what? Next time and we’re going to have Russ back on because something just extraordinary happened just yesterday when it comes to things like that. Russ, how do people get ahold of you?

Russ Reiner: My office number is 241-1905. My office is at 2851 Park Marina Drive. It’s the three-story brick building right next to the Cypress Bridge.

Carl Bott: Thank you so much. We’ve got to really run. Thank you so much for being here, and please tell the Anderson family that everybody is behind them, and God bless them.

Russ Reiner: Thank you. Thank you for letting me speak this morning.

Carl Bott: Sure.

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